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Rommell Drako
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Posted - 2010.11.15 05:35:00 -
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The war against Militaris Industries went live on
2010.11.03 01:08.
Militaris joined Fatal Ascension on
2010.11.07 20:30.
We paid for the second week as linked in previous post.
War against Fatal Ascension was retracted on
2010.11.12 11:48. With the 24 hour cooldown ending on 2010.11.13.
So doing the math 3+14 should be the 17... The war should have ended including the cooldown on the 17th. not on the 13... 4 Days.
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Rommell Drako
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Posted - 2010.11.15 06:26:00 -
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The Matter of concern is that there has been no explaination as with other infractures against eve CCP laws. If this is against a rule, the rule should be stated and a punishment told.
There has been nothing except "Shh Bribe" isk payment.
This is obviously not a normal action taken by CCP or a GM.
IF there is a new rule being discussed, which trust me we did not even think about downtime. (ok client says kill them, ok, derp, button pushed), then a rule should be created with a valid punishment and explaination.
Not a shady reimbursment payment made to a personal account instead of the alliance that paid for the war dec...
Please help me understand. Please.
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Rommell Drako
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Posted - 2010.11.15 22:06:00 -
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Edited by: Rommell Drako on 15/11/2010 22:07:10
CCP Morpheus
***The Internal Affairs department deals mainly with issues regarding CCP staff and their in-game conduct, I'm the wrong person to comment on that matter.***
Can you tell us who we should talk to? We have tried conventional methods and you have been the first actual response that we were given with anyform of an attempt to respond.
We are also still awaiting a legit response with evidence and rulings on anything that is being claimed.
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Rommell Drako
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Posted - 2010.11.15 22:37:00 -
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Edited by: Rommell Drako on 15/11/2010 22:40:03
quote=CCP Morpheus]Hi, I'm CCP Morpheus, Internal Affairs Specialist at CCP.
I have looked into this matter and found that these GM actions were warranted. There is a paper trail of emails, defects and petitions directly related to this case.
I can't go into more detail on a public forum, but the affected parties will have their concerns addressed via petitions. A Senior GM will be replying to your CEO's petition as soon as possible.
Internal Affairs is reachable by email at "[email protected]".
Best regards,
CCP Morpheus
We got a we messed up sorry note... Please look into the subject before you post in local forums about it. Try to not make yourself look good and do the job given to you.
P.S.
Thanks for giving FA their 1.12 bil back and our 0.22 bil back with retracting the war we declared. Sounds like a quality sorry note.
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Rommell Drako
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Posted - 2010.11.15 22:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Jack Dant
Originally by: Aerion Va'rr
So- the long and short of our GM Response was... apparently a GM didn't understand that a corporation that we're at war with, joins an alliance, thus making the alliance a wartarget. Without a 24 hour cooldown.
That's absurd. The mechanics of joining an alliance with an active war are well known, and have been often been used by the targets to trap the wardeccers. I myself have seen this happen many, many times over the last two years.
Joining an alliance has a 24 hour delay anyway, during which the alliance leadership knows a war is incoming and can warn their members.
But even if this really merited GM action, what is the sense in cancelling the war after the 24 hour warning period has passed. Or reinbursing losses after that time? It only creates an easy way out for decced corps: join an alliance, petition, and get the war cancelled.
You should apply for GM. apparently you know more than some of them do...
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Rommell Drako
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: souhyeahright
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I have looked into this matter and found that these GM actions were warranted. There is a paper trail of emails, defects and petitions directly related to this case.
Would really love to see what that paper trail looks like. 
souhy... Ive given up thinking there is a paper trail. That is a general reply give to cover themselves.
1 of 2 things will happen here:
1. Both sides will be reimbursted. (GM corruption suspected for rest of life).
2. Sorry note will be sent again with differnet wording and nothing else will happen. (welcome to eve, angry wardecs ensue)
Unfortunalty number 3. will never happen simply because that would take actual action instead of a few minutes typing mails.
3. GM that made the error would be dealt with (Removal, warning, supervision etc) anything that happened to FA during the error time will be reset (removal of SOV in 4 (YES 4) systems.)...
Nothing good will come of this. Bad publicity only.
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Rommell Drako
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Roosterton
Originally by: OT Smithers
Originally by: Inevitability
I not only want to see a paper trail. I want a dev blog explaining this to the ENTIRE community. This error is absolutely unacceptable. Morpheus, Internal Affairs needs to do more than just let this slide by as a mistake. Look at the facts.
Fatal Ascension KNEW they were getting into a war with a 24-hour stasis before Militaris Industries was active in their alliance their alliance. I'm sure they knew about this war DAYS before MI even applied to join the alliance. They knew this was coming! Don't play this off! This GM doesn't need to be a GM any longer if he doesn't understand this simple game mechanic.
Of course the GM involved knew. He knew he was helping his buddies.
I TOO AM A CONSPIRACY THEORIST!
Seriously, though, this seems like an ordinary mistake to me. Sure, the GM should apologize and be scolded by his fellow employees, yada yada, but seriously? Accusations like that with no evidence?
I wish this was just a witch hunt. Unfortunatly there has been way too many instances of bs to bee seen.
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A alliance does not understand that when a corp joins the allaince inherits the war (WHICH IS STATED IN RULES).
MORE THAN ONE GM did not fulfil his/her role as a GM by investigating the situtation. 1st GM presented info on the situtation and the rest just followed what he/she said as correct.
Even Internal affiars sided with the original statement before we recieved a sorry note. And now that we have a sorry note we will not see any reply by any other GM on this thread regardig it.
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Rommell Drako
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: OT Smithers
Originally by: Bobkate Dobbs
WTF?
Id like to see some more info before I completely jump to the conclusion that this is utter BS, but my god.. it walks like a pile of steaming BS, talks like a pile of steaming BS, and certainly stinks like one.
Im sorry but actions like this completly destroy credibility of this game, and everything that makes it fun. Really sad... and really dissapointing.
Only one thing to say really.... VOTE WITH YOUR WALLETS!!
A better solution is to wipe out the corporation that the GM is involved with.
once again great idea. Will not happen unfortunatly. We have not heard from a GM in this forum since CCP Morphues and i doubt any GM will attmept to salvage this charlie foxtrot.
If any do attempt to I wish them the best of luck in their efforts to "prove" becasue this has gone way past we are a authoritaive source, prove that you are acting in the best of all of eve and not just your friend or even worse YOUR ALT.
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Rommell Drako
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Posted - 2010.11.16 00:07:00 -
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Edited by: Rommell Drako on 16/11/2010 00:09:35
Originally by: Raz Lictor
The best thing about this thread is the concept that highsec wardecs affect the operations of nullsec alliances beyond killing off morons who are too stupid to have and/or use neutral haulers.
It's nice that Violent Intent thinks camping trade hubs is such an inconvenience as to somehow interfere with taking sovereignty. I'm sure that makes them feel important.
Come into nullsec and "punish" us if you actually want to have some sort of impact.
Guess what. Our little high sec war dec is obviously a thorn in your side if you hade to petition it to a GM as "evidence provided" claims.
The arguement is not about just you anymore. It is about the suggeted and undefended claims of GM abuse of power that was used for your gain.
If FA is not insulted by the fact that a GM helped them or is capable of this then it just proves that you were in on it.
This is an assualt on all of EVE players not just Violent Intent or mercs.
And there ladies and gentlmen is the final piece of evidence proving htat FA has a GM on its payroll. (maybe not even just one as we have seen GMs covering for other GMs.)
Will someone please defend this? Please prove me wrong. There is nothing that would make me happier then to wrong now.
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Rommell Drako
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Posted - 2010.11.16 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Raz Lictor
The best thing about this thread is the concept that highsec wardecs affect the operations of nullsec alliances beyond killing off morons who are too stupid to have and/or use neutral haulers.
It's nice that Violent Intent thinks camping trade hubs is such an inconvenience as to somehow interfere with taking sovereignty. I'm sure that makes them feel important.
Come into nullsec and "punish" us if you actually want to have some sort of impact.
My evidence.
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Rommell Drako
Death By Association
Violent Intent
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Posted - 2010.11.16 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rustpunk
For those criticizing CCP Morpheus: the job of IA isn't to arbitrate the actual GM decisions. Rather, they verify that no corruption was involved (e.g. the GM having ties to the parties which he's "judging", etc.) The specifics of whether the decision adheres to CCP GM policies, IG rules, etc. gets left to the senior GMs and their management.
So an honest GM mistake isn't IA's problem, hence the phrasing of Morpheus's post.
Thank you Rustpunk. That makes me personally feel a little better.
Now what about the error in the decision making of the retraction. Does CCP need to have a better test of game mechanics for GM acceptance. More detailed looking into whether or not there is a connection?
Thanks to Rustpunk for providing progressive information. Any more is greatly appreciated, player or CCP provided.
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